Curse

Introverted Dimensions · Mar 11, 2008, 01:19 PM // 13:19

Maybe for running?

kazjun · Mar 12, 2008, 05:38 AM // 05:38

Dead. Unless I'm doing a dual riposte melee farm build.

You know, if they moved the ripostes to swordsmanship, you could move the entire tactics branch to paras and I doubt a single warrior would care or notice anymore. A pity that the one class that killed tactics is actually pretty much unaffected by all these nerfs.

MisterB · Mar 12, 2008, 05:57 AM // 05:57

I still like "Charge!" for some missions: Jennur's Horde and Dzagonur Bastion come to mind. But then I usually invite Devona to take it instead of me. I only use Tactics for soloing, and WY! is now broken for that, as well.

Unfortunately, most of my shields are Tactics, too.

blue.rellik · Mar 12, 2008, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by kazjun

Dead. Unless I'm doing a dual riposte melee farm build.

You know, if they moved the ripostes to swordsmanship, you could move the entire tactics branch to paras and I doubt a single warrior would care or notice anymore. A pity that the one class that killed tactics is actually pretty much unaffected by all these nerfs.

Have you seen all the riposte/galds stance warriors running around in PvE and RA/AB? They would be furious at that

Age · Mar 12, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

I still do for my Healing Signet as I prefer it over LC.

Chipp · Mar 12, 2008, 11:06 PM // 23:06

I have been so blind

My helmet has a inherent tactics +1 that I can't remove so I need to get a brand new helmet to change that.

My shield is tactics as well

The only reason for that is mainly because of WY and Healing Sig which I have now dropped both from my build and am looking for alternates.

kazjun · Mar 13, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Have you seen all the riposte/galds stance warriors running around in PvE and RA/AB? They would be furious at that

As I said, if ripostes were moved to swordsmanship, I doubt many warriors would care. They could then use the tactics points for a useful secondary, like /E or /N. Or /Mo. Plenty of more useful options, including blocks in other classes compared to now. Though outside of solo melee farming there's not much use for them.

And riposte warriors in RA/AB are like terratanks. Ignore them and kill something else.

Age · Mar 13, 2008, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by kazjun

As I said, if ripostes were moved to swordsmanship, I doubt many warriors would care. They could then use the tactics points for a useful secondary, like /E or /N. Or /Mo. Plenty of more useful options, including blocks in other classes compared to now. Though outside of solo melee farming there's not much use for them.

And riposte warriors in RA/AB are like terratanks. Ignore them and kill something else.

I would care as I see it tactics is for defense and it has always been that way and designed.I like them in tactics because I can use them on my Monk if needed.What would be the point then in having a shield in tactics?

Arkantos · Mar 13, 2008, 01:43 AM // 01:43

What exactly is moving the ripostes into swordsmanship going to do? They're still going to be bad skills, just in a different attribute.

Dr Strangelove · Mar 13, 2008, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

What exactly is moving the ripostes into swordsmanship going to do? They're still going to be bad skills, just in a different attribute.

Well, at the very least those retard warriors who go into low-end PvP with dual ripostes and auspicious parry will do some damage autoattacking.

blue.rellik · Mar 13, 2008, 03:21 AM // 03:21

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Originally Posted by kazjun

As I said, if ripostes were moved to swordsmanship, I doubt many warriors would care. They could then use the tactics points for a useful secondary, like /E or /N. Or /Mo. Plenty of more useful options, including blocks in other classes compared to now. Though outside of solo melee farming there's not much use for them.

And riposte warriors in RA/AB are like terratanks. Ignore them and kill something else.

Wow

I guess I'm not getting enough exposure, people still take me serious most of the time

Arkantos · Mar 13, 2008, 03:27 AM // 03:27

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Well, at the very least those retard warriors who go into low-end PvP with dual ripostes and auspicious parry will do some damage autoattacking.

True, but the players and the skills are still going to be bad.

Trvth Jvstice · Mar 13, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

What's the deal with AB? I haven't tried it, but everyone talks as if only morons play there. Why doesn't people like Arkanos, -and any other elite posters- play there? And if you did play there, would that make you dumb, or would it make AB an acceptable place to play?
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In reply: When I say -acceptable place to play, I mean if someone like Ensign said he enjoyed playing in Ab, would that make your playing in Ab feel like less of an insult to your intelligence? ---but, having never played there, I can't really make an argument for the area, I was just curious.

Arkantos · Mar 13, 2008, 03:55 AM // 03:55

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

What's the deal with AB? I haven't tried it, but everyone talks as if only morons play there. Why doesn't people like Arkanos, -and any other elite posters- play there? And if you did play there, would that make you dumb, or would it make AB an acceptable place to play?

The majority of players you'll find in AB are going to be bad players. They bring bad builds with little knowledge of game mechanics and do nothing but run around and attempt to kill people. I occasionally AB with friends for fun. Playing there doesn't make you dumb. I don't understand what you mean by an acceptable place to play.

Winterclaw · Mar 13, 2008, 03:55 AM // 03:55

I've ABed once or twice, but can't now that I don't have a guild. It's pretty much a mass RA, which is why people complain.

kazjun · Mar 13, 2008, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

What exactly is moving the ripostes into swordsmanship going to do? They're still going to be bad skills, just in a different attribute.

The deal is that I said that you could just drop the whole tactics line from warriors and no one would really care. The only reason to keep the ripostes (which is why it could be moved to swordsmanship) would be because there are people who solo farm with them. Never said they were good skills.

And Age, I said warriors wouldn't care. The fact that you see more tactics used on other classes (especially paras) while not of much use for their primary class is a bit of a pity. BTW, I'd take a none spec shield bash for a caster over just about any tactics skill. And putting 8-9 points into tactics just for a shield is bad. You'd be better off saving the points and using a candyshield or sticking a +10 mod on something.

not so newb · Mar 13, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47

what about skills that help you dodge. For example bonnetis defense for avoiding and gaining energy.

Coloneh · Mar 13, 2008, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by not so newb

what about skills that help you dodge. For example bonnetis defense for avoiding and gaining energy.

only useful in farming builds, and bonetti's lasts 5 seconds at 0 tactics. you shouldnt even have it up that long.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 13, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by not so newb

what about skills that help you dodge...

Are bad on Warriors, outside of farming.

blue.rellik · Mar 13, 2008, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

What's the deal with AB? I haven't tried it, but everyone talks as if only morons play there. Why doesn't people like Arkanos, -and any other elite posters- play there? And if you did play there, would that make you dumb, or would it make AB an acceptable place to play?
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In reply: When I say -acceptable place to play, I mean if someone like Ensign said he enjoyed playing in Ab, would that make your playing in Ab feel like less of an insult to your intelligence? ---but, having never played there, I can't really make an argument for the area, I was just curious.

I've had necros cast Insidious Parasite and Empathy on me when I'm a elementalist with a wand.

I've lost all faith in the intelligence of reguler ABers